Piaggio Liberty 125 Review 2019
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:09 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | First full throttle in a couple of years. (*do have phone w/GPS....but teenager not available ) O.S. |
| Addicted Joined: 17 Sep 2017 | Do you have a windshield? A low fly screen got me another 5 mph or so. |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:02 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | pokeyjoe wrote: Do you have a windshield? A low fly screen got me another 5 mph or so. O.S. |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:56 pm Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | You should use a GPS sometime. There are available smartphone apps. Still, 60 mph is fairly quick. http://justgottascoot.com/liberty150.htm Piaggio claims the Liberty 150 has a top speed of 61 MPH and gets 94 MPG. The fastest GPS speed I saw was 59 MPH so 61 MPH is certainly a possibility. I managed 92 MPG during the review which I consider to be very good. That's right, 92 MPG on a new scooter carting my massive backside around. Hmmmm, maybe Piaggio's claim of 94 MPG is.... conservative?!?!? |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:13 pm Addicted 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 20 Feb 2019 | |
| Addicted 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 20 Feb 2019 | I'm just shy of 12,000 miles and was hunting down a whirring sound from my rear torque driver. Ever since I got it back my wife and I hear every single noise now. So anyways, while I was digging around I decided to just overhaul the transmission. New belt, rollers, V-sliders and re-greased the torque driver. I put in the lighter 12.5 Malossi rollers. It's a bit quicker off the line and so far it seems to go the same top speed. Have only ridden it with the wife on the back but so far, so good. Will do a dash top speed run when by myself and report my results. And just because I hear a weird noise that might have been there all along, I replaced the gear/reduction box oil. Found 80-90 Honda Pro Line oil and swapped out the new oil that was in there. No metal dust or anything suspicious found. Now onto getting my pre-bug 98 Zuma running again. |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:51 pm Hooked GTS 300 Joined: 21 Nov 2011 | |
| Hooked GTS 300 Joined: 21 Nov 2011 | Is there GPS on iphone that will tell you how fast you are going? |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 pm Addicted 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 20 Feb 2019 | |
| Addicted 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 20 Feb 2019 | GPS on who's phone? Mine? I hate these smart phones and have a Galaxy 3 still. If it wasn't for pictures (not the best quality mind you) I would go back to a flip phone. If there is a GPS app on my phone I never found it. I'm a old school fool! |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:06 pm Molto Verboso LXS 150 Joined: 13 Aug 2009 | |
| Molto Verboso LXS 150 Joined: 13 Aug 2009 | sc00ter wrote: GPS on who's phone? Mine? I hate these smart phones and have a Galaxy 3 still. If it wasn't for pictures (not the best quality mind you) I would go back to a flip phone. If there is a GPS app on my phone I never found it. I'm a old school fool! There are a few free "speedometer" apps in the Google Play Store. These use the GPS functionality already present on your phone. Click on the Play Store app, and search for "speedometer". Pick one of them. Some will even record the maximum speed you've gone (as well as the average speed, distance, and so on). That way you don't have to mount it to the bike, just turn it on and leave it in your pocket. Check it when you're done. You can then uninstall the app from the phone's settings menu when you're finished with it. |
| Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:34 pm Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | Road tests done in Italy give it a real 70 mph (112 km / h). |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:20 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | Attila wrote: Road tests done in Italy give it a real 70 mph (112 km / h). Downhill. The Dolomites are pretty steep aren't they? |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:45 am Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | kz1000ST wrote: Attila wrote: Road tests done in Italy give it a real 70 mph (112 km / h). Downhill. The Dolomites are pretty steep aren't they? ... if you want I can send you the copy of the magazine ... And ... Yes, I also think that it is a little faster than what it should have. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:10 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | I don't know how things are done in Italy but for years American magazines used to tear down the engines in test bikes to make sure they hadn't been improved over stock. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:17 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | Attila wrote: Road tests done in Italy give it a real 70 mph (112 km / h). OK, just maybe I can believe that. O.S. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:34 am Ossessionato 2012 Kymco Like 200i (Sold), 2018 FLSL Joined: 04 Jun 2012 | |
| Ossessionato 2012 Kymco Like 200i (Sold), 2018 FLSL Joined: 04 Jun 2012 | Maybe the emission requirements in the US reduces the performance of the scooter over the claims found in the Italian test. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:59 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | TroutBum wrote: Maybe the emission requirements in the US reduces the performance of the scooter over the claims found in the Italian test. Perhaps...but scooter has that category #4 rating for Euro and the U.S.A.. ...for emmissions, noise, lighting, ABS, etc. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:22 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | sc00ter wrote: I'm just shy of 12,000 miles and was hunting down a whirring sound from my rear torque driver. Ever since I got it back my wife and I hear every single noise now. So anyways, while I was digging around I decided to just overhaul the transmission. New belt, rollers, V-sliders and re-greased the torque driver. I put in the lighter 12.5 Malossi rollers. It's a bit quicker off the line and so far it seems to go the same top speed. Have only ridden it with the wife on the back but so far, so good. Will do a dash top speed run when by myself and report my results. And just because I hear a weird noise that might have been there all along, I replaced the gear/reduction box oil. Found 80-90 Honda Pro Line oil and swapped out the new oil that was in there. No metal dust or anything suspicious found. Now onto getting my pre-bug 98 Zuma running again. OK, please keep us posted on the noises from the rear end - since your recent dealer rebuild back there! O.S. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:48 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | kz1000ST wrote: You should use a GPS sometime. There are available smartphone apps. Still, 60 mph is fairly quick. http://justgottascoot.com/liberty150.htm Piaggio claims the Liberty 150 has a top speed of 61 MPH and gets 94 MPG. The fastest GPS speed I saw was 59 MPH so 61 MPH is certainly a possibility. I managed 92 MPG during the review which I consider to be very good. That's right, 92 MPG on a new scooter carting my massive backside around. Hmmmm, maybe Piaggio's claim of 94 MPG is.... conservative?!?!? I used two reviews to influence my purchase of the Liberty. As Jonathan at Scooterville remarked - the Liberty is a good idea IF you have a good Piaggio dealer nearby. I do have an actual scooter shop 44 miles away who sells Piaggios - so help is there if I ever need it. Probably will use them this winter to install the set of Angels I've purchased. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:22 pm Molto Verboso Xevo 250 ie Joined: 12 Jun 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Xevo 250 ie Joined: 12 Jun 2008 | Piaggio bikes take a good 20 to 30k miles of use before the engine properly loosens up and you get the most top end speed from them. The more highway use it gets, the better it will run. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:13 pm Hooked 2016 Sprint 150 Joined: 17 Apr 2020 | |
| Hooked 2016 Sprint 150 Joined: 17 Apr 2020 | Have the same air cooled engine in my Vespa Sprint 150. I have only got 3200 miles on it and feel it is a really good motor. I do feel it runs pretty hot, but no temperature guage. For this reason I use the full synthetic ester oil. Motul 5w-40 as recommended. Ester synthetic handles high temperature better. Art |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:05 pm Addicted 2021 Primavera 150 touring, 2016 LXV 150 ie, 1978 Vespa P125, 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 06 Jul 2016 | |
| Addicted 2021 Primavera 150 touring, 2016 LXV 150 ie, 1978 Vespa P125, 2019 Piaggio Liberty 150 Joined: 06 Jul 2016 | I think part of that speed and mpg has to do with the size and weight of the rider... which is where my small, long and thin frame and my 120# has some advantages. I can hit 70 mph and I get over 70 mpg on my 2019 Liberty. I do have a wind screen, very necessary with my riding very buggy roads. |
| Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:39 pm Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | TroutBum wrote: Maybe the emission requirements in the US reduces the performance of the scooter over the claims found in the Italian test. Maybe yes, in USA have always been stricter on the polluting emissions of vehicles |
| Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:46 am Ossessionato 2010 ThunderFly 190, 2008 250 GTS Joined: 29 Apr 2011 | |
| Ossessionato 2010 ThunderFly 190, 2008 250 GTS Joined: 29 Apr 2011 | A friend of mine recently joined me on his liberty 150 for a multi-day trip. he was able to keep up with me while I was doing 60 (per my gps). |
| Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:55 am Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | maggiegirl wrote: I think part of that speed and mpg has to do with the size and weight of the rider... which is where my small, long and thin frame and my 120# has some advantages. I can hit 70 mph and I get over 70 mpg on my 2019 Liberty. I do have a wind screen, very necessary with my riding very buggy roads. On a scooter or any small displacement bike you bet it does. Windscreens and anything that helps smooth airflow will also have an effect on performance. It's fun to see what performance you can get out of say a 150 or smaller scoot but don't buy one expecting a high top end or that throw you in the back of the saddle experience. What they excel at is being nimble and fun to ride and the occasional short jaunt on a motorway and can handle rural side roads well enough. Anyone needing more should go with a 250 and up CC engine. Sure I modified my 300 but really just for fun and for its displacement the damn thing can move. The reviews and tests on these especially stock I take with a grain of salt as with a small engine so many little factors can effect the performance including just how windy it is that day. |
| Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:56 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | Harbinger wrote: The reviews and tests on these especially stock I take with a grain of salt as with a small engine so many little factors can effect the performance including just how windy it is that day. Since no dealer around here offers test rides I rely on reviews like those of justgottascoot.com....rather than the generic 2 wheel websites - who seem to love everything they ride. I do understand that for many riders, top speed is a major factor. I've had a 400cc 490lb new scooter on our highways. It offered me so little enjoyment there, that I stopped after about 5 rides. Then it became like driving a Buick on my preferred country roads - so, sold it and bought the 155cc 250lb Liberty and started enjoying the heck out of my sunrise rides again! O.S. |
| Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | OldSchooot wrote: Harbinger wrote: The reviews and tests on these especially stock I take with a grain of salt as with a small engine so many little factors can effect the performance including just how windy it is that day. Since no dealer around here offers test rides I rely on reviews like those of justgottascoot.com....rather than the generic 2 wheel websites - who seem to love everything they ride. I do understand that for many riders, top speed is a major factor. I've had a 400cc 490lb new scooter on our highways. It offered me so little enjoyment there, that I stopped after about 5 rides. Then it became like driving a Buick on my preferred country roads - so, sold it and bought the 155cc 250lb Liberty and started enjoying the heck out of my sunrise rides again! O.S. I get what you you're saying. It's all about what works for you. Every bike I own serves a different purpose and I can see myself somewhere down the road having just a Vespa. I'm not there yet and looking forward to some all day riding and weeks trips of over 100 miles of motorway a day. Thus my recent purchase but for a trip in to town at sunrise a scoot is a perfect choice. |
| Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:35 am Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 | Same thought for me and my choice, real 105 km / h and 165 kg of weight. Stop. |
| Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:16 am Ossessionato 2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70' Joined: 11 Jun 2011 | |
| Ossessionato 2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70' Joined: 11 Jun 2011 | TroutBum wrote: Maybe the emission requirements in the US reduces the performance of the scooter over the claims found in the Italian test. Mostly the euro standards for emissions are higher than in the States. |
| Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:53 am Ossessionato 2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70' Joined: 11 Jun 2011 | |
| Ossessionato 2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70' Joined: 11 Jun 2011 | H [/quote] I get what you you're saying. It's all about what works for you. Every bike I own serves a different purpose and I can see myself somewhere down the road having just a Vespa. I'm not there yet and looking forward to some all day riding and weeks trips of over 100 miles of motorway a day. Thus my recent purchase but for a trip in to town at sunrise a scoot is a perfect choice.[/quote] I was in the same place as you some 10 years ago. Lots of bikes big and medium size. It wasn't until I went totally scooter that I really started to enjoy riding all over again. My GSX1400 and Vstrom 1000 used to take me between 30-40k miles per year for a few years all over europe. This was mostly for my work in motor engineering. It was an expensive way of travelling but much nicer that flying and driving a car. Chains and tyres were the biggest expense. Then I got the Burgman 400 which actually did the job better with greater comfort and still did the same miles each year with less expense. Easier to maintain and trouble free. I was sold on scooters from then on. The Vespa GTS is actually for me in the same mould. Tough as old boots, easy to service, and reliable. You can do as many miles as you like on it and it won't complain. Parts are cheap by comparison to other brands too. Trust me, you won't be sorry to go completely scooter unless you have a particular need to have a big iron in the garage all the time. |
| Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:55 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | I think I will always have a scooter of some capacity but I don't think I will ever be without a bike. People make such a big deal over the weight of a bike but even now my 250 Nighthawk comes in at the same weight as a Vespa and will run all day at the same speeds. A Kawasaki z400 costs less than a GTS and will go faster than I do. I have shifted all my life so it's a non factor and weighs under 400 pounds. That or a Benelli 302s. https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/11/08/2020-kawasaki-z400-abs-buyers-guide-specs-price/ The only reason I raise the spectre of a small displacement bike is that the first thing people envision with motorcycles is 800 pound V=Twins. Not all bikes are two ton tanks. |
| Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:50 pm Member 2018 Liberty 150 Joined: 24 Feb 2014 | |
| Member 2018 Liberty 150 Joined: 24 Feb 2014 | My top speed is 69 indicated, so probably 62 MPH. [edit: with medium windsheild] The manual says (in jumbled English) that there's a speed governor that will kick in if you go to too fast downhill. I haven't fully tested this but it does let up a little I've noticed. This being a lightweight scooter, the driver's size makes a huge difference (and even more so if there's no windshield). The previous owner's top speed was 8 MPH less than mine, he was 6'3" and he had no windshield. Last edited by dishrag on Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
| Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:37 am Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX Joined: 26 Jul 2013 | dishrag wrote: My top speed is 69 indicated, so probably 62 MPH. The manual says (in jumbled English) that there's a speed governor that will kick in if you go to too fast downhill. I haven't fully tested this but it does let up a little I've noticed. This being a lightweight scooter, the driver's size makes a huge difference (and even more so if there's no windshield). The previous owner's top speed was 8 MPH less than mine, he was 6'3" and he had no windshield. Thanks for your post. I love this Liberty. Look forward to every ride. |
| Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:47 am Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | |
| Veni, Vidi, Posti 2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up Joined: 21 May 2017 | dishrag wrote: My top speed is 69 indicated, so probably 62 MPH. The manual says (in jumbled English) that there's a speed governor that will kick in if you go to too fast downhill. I haven't fully tested this but it does let up a little I've noticed. This being a lightweight scooter, the driver's size makes a huge difference (and even more so if there's no windshield). The previous owner's top speed was 8 MPH less than mine, he was 6'3" and he had no windshield. Yeah the windscreens make a big difference. I just ordered an aftermarket tall one for the bike I pick up tomorrow. The only bike own that I know the top speed of is the Ural at about 125 km/h ( bit over 75 mph ) . The Vespa about 165 km/h ( little over 100 mph ) . The K1600GT I will never have any idea of it's top speed with me on it. |
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Piaggio Liberty 125 Review 2019
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